Awesome!...now I just have to buy my key..LOL

BTW...What is a Madas exhaust???

 

www.madas.com.au

nothing on their site for the 675, ive sent them an email asking for pics and details

 

thanks!!

I've so far used tuneboy to upload TOR map which is cool but hopefully when I suss this map out, it's even better

 

I have been using this tune for about a month now. I only have 1500 miles on my bike. Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to take the bike out much for some good thrashing. Most of my mileage is from driving to and from work.

I have not noticed any "holes" with this fuel map. I have not run the bike with the "TOR" map, so I cannot compare the two. Looking at the map, it is a modified TOR map.

Ken

 

Making this a Sticky thread -- please post all TuneBoy maps here.

NOTE that Triumph does not endorse ECU mapping changes - it will void your warranty, etc.

 

are there any tuneboy arrow maps ?? or gpr maps ??

 

are there any tuneboy arrow maps ?? or gpr maps ??

Frome Tuneboys site - You may download the three "original" maps used by Triumph. The three maps are:
* stock map
* TOR map
* Arrow full system map

As already said - the Madas map above is a modified TOR map. It also take care of the correction of speedo...

I hope that this will answer Your question...

Regards

 

Wow! That Madas map is insane! I just want Jardine to get that can out at a good Group Buy price, and then I can buy one and slap that map on her! Anyone on here try that map on a different slip-on?

That's my next 3 mods -- Tune-Boy, Jardine can, and 15/49 sprocket and 520 conversion.

 

:shock: :shock: :shock:

From what I understood...the only modification on this bike on the graf is the new mapping? No exhaust, etc?
Unbelievable!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Is this map compatible with the zard full system? Can they work together?

 

Stree triple R tune

:shock: :shock: :shock:

From what I understood...the only modification on this bike on the graf is the new mapping? No exhaust, etc?
Unbelievable!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Is this map compatible with the zard full system? Can they work together?

JUst had my Stripl Maped on Skips dyno and got 111hp Tune ecu it the way to go

 

[quote="jbear]...the only modification on this bike on the graf is the new mapping? No exhaust, etc?... [/quote]
Sorry to disappoint You, but as I've understood things, the Madas is some kind of slip on or half-system (unfortenately not on their web site). But I´ve learned that Wayne is going to do some runs with his own D675 as it is delivered - we all are looking forward to learn from his experience... :twisted:

The Madas tune just seem to have adjustements on the fuel ratio (compared to the TOR map) and of course an corrected value for the speedo. No changes is done in the ignition map... I would love to see an optimized map for 95 or 98 octan

I am running Madas tune on a Twobros M2, and so far it looks promising... I am sure this map also would be a good starting point for Jardine or Zard...

I hope this make things a little bit clearer...

Regards

 

Exactly which one of that huge list is for the Daytona 675?
http://www.tuneboy.com.au/TuneDownloads/Tunes.html

are there any tuneboy arrow maps ?? or gpr maps ??

Frome Tuneboys site - You may download the three "original" maps used by Triumph. The three maps are:
* stock map
* TOR map
* Arrow full system map

As already said - the Madas map above is a modified TOR map. It also take care of the correction of speedo...

I hope that this will answer Your question...

Regards

 

Exactly which one of that huge list is for the Daytona 675?
http://www.tuneboy.com.au/TuneDownloads/Tunes.html...

You must scroll down to the last table (Keihin ECU). Last amoung the tunes You will find the following D675-tunes:

20108 standard tune
20109 aftermarket exhaust
20110 Arrow aftermarket exhaust system (the full system tune)

I hope this will make things a little bit clearer...

Regards

 

whats this about a speedo correction? Pertaining to someone modding their gearing, clearing up a factory false reading, ???

 

According to Wayne (Tuneboy), the 675 they evaluated the Madas tune upon had an 7% optimistic speed indicator... When I checked my own with GPS, I were able to confirm a mismatch of 5-7%. In the TB software, You may correct this.

The Madas-tune has this correction already set... As soon as the winter has released its firm grip on my country, I will be able to confirm the correction in-situ

Regards

Roffe... I'm not sure if this has already been discussed in this thread (and there's quite a lot of posts for me to go through

Anyway, I installed the Madas map a few months back and have noticed that the speedo correction actually caused my speedo to go even way more optimistic. I was actually up to about 11% optimistic when I compared my speed with a GPS reading.

I found out last week that in order to calibrate it properly you'll need to use a negative % value in the tune constant adjustment.

Basically if your speedo is 7% off you'll need to input -7 in the adjustment box. I did that for mine, and now my speedo is pretty close to accurate.

 

whats this about a speedo correction? Pertaining to someone modding their gearing, clearing up a factory false reading, ???

According to Wayne (Tuneboy), the 675 they evaluated the Madas tune upon had an 7% optimistic speed indicator... When I checked my own with GPS, I were able to confirm a mismatch of 5-7%. In the TB software, You may correct this.

The Madas-tune has this correction already set... As soon as the winter has released its firm grip on my country, I will be able to confirm the correction in-situ

Regards

 

ah ha!! Very cool. I have a TuneBoy on my graphite so great that I can fix that. Maybe I should wait though, as I'm ordering a 15/47 520 conversion at this moment.

 

...Maybe I should wait though, as I'm ordering a 15/47 520 conversion at this moment.

Sounds like a great Idea However - When I compared the standard tune with the Madas, I noticed that Waynes changed setting wasn´t linear... So IMHO, I would believe that You may have to test a couple of times before You discover the correct value 8)

 

could you elaborate a little more on what isn't linear? I'm not clear on that - are you talking about the speedo change or the fuel/air tune specifics? Or maybe I should just go bring up the TuneBoy and look at the section where the speedo change is done and then all will become clear?

 

...Or maybe I should just go bring up the TuneBoy and look at the section where the speedo change is done and then all will become clear?...

I'm not at the right computer now, but I believe the speedo is linear, You don't mess with the F/A-ratio - It will be crystal clear where to do the correction when You open Your map

From the manual:

Choose Menu View-Tune constant. There You find the "Wheel speed constant" (standard value is 3724). Now - if it would have been a linear value one would have expected the value in the Madas (with a supposed 7% correction) to be (1-0.07) * 3724. As I recall it - this wasn't the case Edit - opened the map - the value is 3649, i e 98% of standard value...

However - this is not a very big disaster at all. The calculation to find Your value after the mods should be rather simple (see example below):

1 - confirm the speedo error after the mods (say 10%) with GPS.
2 - make a control adjustement (say 3624) in the tune and download it to the ECU.
3 - confirm the effect of the adjustement with GPS (say 4% error)

Now we can see that the adjustement -100 resulted in a speed correction of 10% - 4% = 6%. To correct the missing 4%, we must do a new correction with (-100 * 4% / 6%) = -67

4 - adjust the constant to 3624-67 = 3557 in the tune and download to ECU
5 - confirm the result...

This is at least one way of doing it...

 

Very cool. I'll definitely be processing this.......soon as I find a friend with a GPS unit I can borrow. Seriously though, thanks.

 

Just a quick question...

The 20109 "aftermarket exhaust" tune, that's the TOR map right ?
And that is said to work well with a stock exhaust, am i correct ?

 

Just a quick question...

The 20109 "aftermarket exhaust" tune, that's the TOR map right ?
And that is said to work well with a stock exhaust, am i correct ?

Yep, that is the "TOR" tune. Lots of people have had good luck running that tune on a stock bike. It also opens the intake flapper just below idle speed, so the flapper is essentially held open at all times.

 

what do u guys think about this? starting from the point that we dont want to spend hundred bugs on a dyno to having it optimized...

1) if using aftermarket exhaust:
HYPO A
"madas tune"
+ powercommander m515-002 (which is programmed to optimize the Tune #20109)

HYPO B
"Tune #20109 tune (TOR triumph tune)"
+ powercommander m515-002 (programmed for Tune #20109)


2) if using an aftermarket fullsystem exhaust
"Tune #20110 (arrow fullsystem triumph tune)"
+ powercommander m515-003 map (programmed for Tune #20110)

note that pc3 map can be easily and automatically merged into the map currently used

PRO/CONS
1) HYPO A:
CONS: the TOR map looks worst than madas tune
PRO: we will use the PC3 fuel map optimized for the TOR tune.

1) HYPO B:
PRO: madas tune better than TOR tune
CONS: fuel map maybe not "optimized" (or even "incovinent to use?") with madas values

debate:
- will the merged 20109tune+m515-002 be better than madas tune only?
- will the madas tune +m515-002 be better than the winner above?


2) i can see ONLY PROS if u use a full system.
debate:
- will the 20110 + m515-003(optimized for 20110) (both optimized for arrow which is full system) be the best (if used with any full system)? i guess yes.


here s another nice (okok, AND LAST, sorry ) issue:
- what if using an racing air filter (eg. BMC) ??
looks like none of them are optimized for using IN CONJUNCTION with a racing air filter ....
any suggestions
- if used with after market slipon?
-if used with aftermarket fullsystem?


I think a kind of debate focused on these point would be helpful to everyone (mee too

in my opinion:
using original triumph maps + PC3 optimization it would be a nice idea
madas+pc3 bad idea
not a clue if madas will still be the "winner" against TOR+PC3

pity that none of them are optimized for racing airfilter which I STRONGLY consider a MUSTHAVE component, if u have an open exhaust.

 

... lots of good ideas...

Hi Mongrello.

I believe that Madas tune is developed on a Dyno-run, meaning that the the A/F-ratio are tuned directly from target values via "lambda"-sensor.

The bike were a standard D675 equipped with only a unknown slip-on (Madas).

As I've been told, Wayne hadn't enough time to optimize the bike fully, and that it will be new maps on their way.

Therefor - I believe the Madas shold be used just as it stands...

I also believe that tune #20109 and #20110 are optimized for a equipped bike.

The benefit with PC3-map would be if one equipped the bike with a slipon and an open air filter. However. The PC3 is designed working upon a std #20108-map. Therefor - I believe that the std map is the best to use together with PC3-add on.

just my 2p - Regards!

 

I believe that Madas tune is developed on a Dyno-run, meaning that the the A/F-ratio are tuned directly from target values via "lambda"-sensor.

well, that means that madas+pc3 is not a good solution, as madas is already optimized for the open exahust+ the original air filter.

I also believe that tune #20109 and #20110 are optimized for a equipped bike.

20109 which is the TOR map, is optimized with the triumph TOR slipon, (which is open) and for this reason is (more or less) optimized for any aftermarket open slipon (i would say "if u ve got an open slipon, better tor map than normal one")
20110 is optimized for the arrow full system, which is obviously open (i would say "if u ve got an open full system , better arrow map than normal one")

The benefit with PC3-map would be if one equipped the bike with a slipon and an open air filter. However. The PC3 is designed working upon a std #20108-map. Therefor - I believe that the std map is the best to use together with PC3-add on.

actually, i asked to the powercommander website by email (this is also written on their website http://www.powercommander.com/515-411.aspx) , and they told me that maps are optimized on different tunes (20108, 20109 or 20110), depending which PC3 map u r considering. as written, m515-002 is programmed to optimize the Tune #20109 (which is the TOR tune) and m515-003 map is programmed to optimize the Tune #20110 (which is the arrow tune, would say for "full system exhausts)
ALSO, they answered me that they are not optimized for open air filters (written on the website too)

Unfortunately, looks like, at this time, we do not have an external tune (ie madas) or a combination of triumph tune+pc3 optimization suitable for open air filters.

apart from this matter, still there's a question about which is better (using an open slipon and OEM air filter) between "20109+m515-002" and "madas" tune

 

...actually, i asked to the powercommander website by email (this is also written on their website http://www.powercommander.com/515-411.aspx) , and they told me that maps are optimized on different tunes (20108, 20109 or 20110), depending which PC3 map u r considering. as written, m515-002 is programmed to optimize the Tune #20109 (which is the TOR tune) and m515-003 map is programmed to optimize the Tune #20110 (which is the arrow tune, would say for "full system exhausts)
ALSO, they answered me that they are not optimized for open air filters (written on the website too)

Unfortunately, looks like, at this time, we do not have an external tune (ie madas) or a combination of triumph tune+pc3 optimization suitable for open air filters.

apart from this matter, still there's a question about which is better (using an open slipon and OEM air filter) between "20109+m515-002" and "madas" tune

That is news for me - You have made an impressive investigation concerning PC3 In an earlier post - some guy had imported the PC3-tune for slip-on, and it seemed to be identical with Triumphs 20109-map. I will try to find that thread later...

I have Madas in my bike now, but have only been able to test it briefly.
As soon as this XXXX **** :evil: :evil: winter is blown away, I'm going to give it a serious test :twisted: But so far it seems to be very promising!
Have You tested the Madas file yet (or is the weather in Italy also too cold?)?

As Madas is developed directly in the ECU by a "known source" - I feel more safe with that map - but it would be fun to see the values in the map You suggested. But I can't wait until someone (Wayne?) make a run on a "Madas"-setup in combination with optimized ignition timing for 95 or 98 octan

I guess we have to open the PC3-map and find out by ourselves (some snowy day) 8)

Regards