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#21 ·
dypeterc said:
it's more the principle. why should we pay $80 to triumph or $50 to some ebayer for something that should be free in the first place? didn't we just pay $9k for the bike but can't work on it unless we shell out more money for the manual?
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Does ANY company (be it cars, motorcycles, equipment) provide SERVICE manuals for free? I'd be shocked if you could name just one.
 
#22 ·
Having worked as a Technical Writer for many years, I can tell you our company's philosophy behind Service manuals. In a lot of cases we would give them away freely to our authorized repair centers to encourage them to keep up to date with the latest technical info. Where as we would place a $100 retail price on the Service manual and we would not advertise its existence in the Owners manual. Both tactics are meant to dissuade the common user from trying to perform any service on their own. Part of that is meant to encourage owners to spend their money at the authorized service centers. The other part focuses on liability. You can't imagine the stupid things that people do of their own free will and then try to sue you for it. A lot of the repair procedures listed in a Service manual can really put you in harms way if they are done improperly. I could tell you some stories that would leave you speechless.

With that said, I always buy a factory Service manual for every vehicle I own. I like spinning my own wrenches and in a lot of ways I trust my own work more than some of the techs I have met.
 
#23 ·
warpedreality said:
I usually like to swing the other side on this argument.. when you've already paid 9K(11k in my case :roll:).. what's another $80 :D ..

I bought the service manual and yes an ebayer shouldn't be getting the credit/money for something he(she?) coudln't care less about.. I'mstill on the fence abt this one... should i just send it out to you.. you make copies and share it off-site and send me the original back..? hmmm... :thinking
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u could look at it that way or this way: what's another $80 to triumph?

if u'd be willing to send the manual my way, we could then paypal u the money for ur inconvenience. plus, it may take a week or 2 to get the whole thing scanned (how many pages is it?).

i also need some advice to keep the file small. i have adobe acrobat to put together the pdf but it's still going to be pretty big. i guess compressing it to a zip should help.
 
#24 ·
dypeterc said:
u could look at it that way or this way: what's another $80 to triumph?
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:rotfl .. that's a point too.. but dunno somehow it's more like (well there's an indian saying) 'making a hole in the plate you eat off of' ..

don't bother about paying me.. i'd do it all for free.. give something back to the awesome community here kinda thing.. :2tu

It has those stupid subsection numbered pages..not from 1-300 or anythnig .. dunno abt the number of pages.. just send me the original back when you're done.. LOL

George said:
mastertsunami wrote:
The legalities are the exact same as the owner's manual. They both fall under the same fair use clauses and copyright laws. The fact that the owner's manual comes with the bike does not make it "more legal" to share it out, or the service manual "less legal" because it costs $80.

I have had this discussion already at one point when I scanned and uploaded the owner's manual: http://www.triumph675.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5199&start=21
More of my thoughts on the subject of the service manual are further in that thread.

George
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Hence the moral dilemma
 
#25 ·
mastertsunami said:
The legalities are the exact same as the owner's manual. They both fall under the same fair use clauses and copyright laws. The fact that the owner's manual comes with the bike does not make it "more legal" to share it out, or the service manual "less legal" because it costs $80.
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I have had this discussion already at one point when I scanned and uploaded the owner's manual: http://www.triumph675.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5199&start=21
More of my thoughts on the subject of the service manual are further in that thread.

George
 
#27 ·
there was a service manual posted for the daytona 600 a while back at a different site. not sure if its still up or not. if its still up then i think someone should throw up a 675 manual. if triumph peeps allow the 600 manual to be up then i think we are good.
 
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#29 ·
The service manual is an additional $80 which is not added into the bike's cost already. This is for the reasons someone mentioned above about most people having their bike serviced by a dealer etc. Most people can't/don't want to do the type of work that is any more in depth than the owners manual covers.

The other part about charging $80 is trying to pay back the poor bastards that took the time to photograph and diagram every single nut and bolt on the motorcycle. The book obviously doesn't cost that much to print and bind. Then they had to write up a how to for every service and how to take everything apart so you have nothing more than a shit ton of parts laying on the floor, then a how to so you can put it back together right. Think about how much time, effort, resource and knowledge that takes.
 
#30 ·
RacerXnh10 said:
The service manual is an additional $80 which is not added into the bike's cost already. This is for the reasons someone mentioned above about most people having their bike serviced by a dealer etc. Most people can't/don't want to do the type of work that is any more in depth than the owners manual covers.

The other part about charging $80 is trying to pay back the poor bastards that took the time to photograph and diagram every single nut and bolt on the motorcycle. The book obviously doesn't cost that much to print and bind. Then they had to write up a how to for every service and how to take everything apart so you have nothing more than a shit ton of parts laying on the floor, then a how to so you can put it back together right. Think about how much time, effort, resource and knowledge that takes.
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triumph makes these service manuals primarily for the service depts for motorcycle dealerships. it's secondary (and probably much less important) to sell them to owners that want to do the service themselves. therefore, the overhead to research and write should be covered by the manuals sold to the dealerships. they are the ones charging $80/hr for labor. servicing the bike urself only costs u time and parts. i'm sure triumph doesn't see a dime of the cost of service from the dealer when a bike comes in. so why should they care??? in summary charge the dealer since they're making money off their book and should include it w/ the purchase of the bike
 
#31 ·
dypeterc said:
RacerXnh10 said:
The service manual is an additional $80 which is not added into the bike's cost already. This is for the reasons someone mentioned above about most people having their bike serviced by a dealer etc. Most people can't/don't want to do the type of work that is any more in depth than the owners manual covers.

The other part about charging $80 is trying to pay back the poor bastards that took the time to photograph and diagram every single nut and bolt on the motorcycle. The book obviously doesn't cost that much to print and bind. Then they had to write up a how to for every service and how to take everything apart so you have nothing more than a shit ton of parts laying on the floor, then a how to so you can put it back together right. Think about how much time, effort, resource and knowledge that takes.
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triumph makes these service manuals primarily for the service depts for motorcycle dealerships. it's secondary (and probably much less important) to sell them to owners that want to do the service themselves. therefore, the overhead to research and write should be covered by the manuals sold to the dealerships. they are the ones charging $80/hr for labor. servicing the bike urself only costs u time and parts. i'm sure triumph doesn't see a dime of the cost of service from the dealer when a bike comes in. so why should they care??? in summary charge the dealer since they're making money off their book and should include it w/ the purchase of the bike
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I see where you're coming from and I like your thought. My only problems with that would be wondering if the dealers would actually get one for every model bike if they had to pay for it, especially after some of the horror stories I've heard around here. Also it would be a huge liability to give them out with every bike because your average ding a ling with a hammer and adjustable wrench isn't qualified to do 98% of the stuff in the manual. There is some serious stuff in there and if you don't do it right you could end up taking a long nap 6 feet under.

Another option would be tack $5-10 onto every bike they sell to the dealerships (which probably is a cost factored into price anyway) and sell the service manual for say $20 to the consumer. But again, maybe the $80 price tag is to keep Joe Monkey Wrench out of the bottom end of the motor.
 
#33 ·
let's not beat around the bush here... do a search and you'll find that for virtually every popular bike there's tons of manual available online. and quite rightfully so, if you ask me.

hell.. on other Triumph sites there are manuals available as well.

i can understand the admins on this board (it's not a site is it ;) don't want to risk it, but surely someone can put it up anonymously on some public ftp?

come'on.. not rocketscience here.

how large is the file anyway?
 
#38 ·
Fsnoles1984 said:
Joewi said:
how large is the file anyway?
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No one knows. I don't believe anyone has taken the time to scan the hundreds of pages yet? Am I wrong? :?:
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I bought a scanned version of the manual. Want to share it for a small fee. Just send me an e-mail.
 
#39 ·
chielmi said:
I bought a scanned version of the manual. Want to share it for a small fee. Just send me an e-mail.
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Not only did you purchase a pirated copy, you are attempted to profit by illegally distributing it. Classy :roll:
 
#40 ·
As chielmi said, there is a pdf file of the service manual available, although I have no recollection of its existence :wink: .
 
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