Sorry, gotta put this out there with all the threads and chatter about the 675R model.
First and foremost, when making the decision of whether or not to buy the R model you should consider what makes you happy. If you're the type of person that likes special edition color schemes and R badges, there's nothing wrong with that and you should buy what makes you happy. End of story, don't listen to what anybody else has to say.
However, if you're actually pondering the benefit, then I have the following to share with you.
Price difference: 1,500 dollars
What you get:
A special edition color scheme
Ohlins forks
Brembo Mono Blocks up front.
Let's break it down clearly and precisely what this actually means. The color scheme is self explanatory. It's a nice white scheme only available on that model with red and black accents. it looks tits and will certainly get you attention at ride meetups and parking lots.
Ohlins Forks. This sounds cool. Hell, the look cool. Even better, 99% of people don't know what they are or what they're good for---but they sure are pretty and have a name that sounds exotic.
Truth be told, the ohlins forks that come on the Daytona (or even ducati for that matter) are the bottom of the barrel. Real Ohlins catridges, in terms of what racers would buy if they had the money, go for about 10 grand. True story. The components/catridges in the model that come on the R are really no better than showa, etc. A little better, but barely measurable.
Adding to the issue is that they're all made for 175lbs riders (or something like that). The suspension (from a performance perspective) is probably worthless (as are stock forks) considering it's not setup for you. even the 10,000 dollar ohlins are no good if they're not set up properly for you.
Where am I going with this you're probably wondering. Simple. if you're actually concerned about performance, the ohlins suspension will cause more problems than it will solve. it'll cost more to have it set up for you (the internals are more expensive, I know, I have ohlins internals in my showa forks), and there's a bigger chance of an error in setup with all the extra clicks/settings.
If you're really concerned about performance, get the regular model and send the forks to a company like GMD, Traxxion Dynamics or GP suspension and have the springs and valves redone for your weight, skill level and intended application.
Next we have the brembo monoblocs. OK, yes, these are far superior to the regular brakes that come on the regular daytona. but again, you gotta look past the bling and understand why they're "better."
*edit for accuracy*
First of all, most people don't even realize what mono block means. probably because they've never changed their own brake pads. Mono block means the caliper is made out of one piece as opposed to two pieces bolted together. some models are two piston, some are four piston. the R has four piston monoblocs.
The benefit of a monobloc is more even distribution of the friction (less float then bi-block calipers). more even distribution provides a more progressive brake feel and ultimately more stopping power and the pressure is increased. this is why people rave about them. (on a personal note, i much prefer ravenous initial bite from my brakes...let's me know they're working lol).
monoblocs are also less susceptable to brake fade due to extreme tempratures. However, this is erroneous without having some time of Race grade/HH/Sintered Brake Pad and braided lines. Why? because rubber lines will expand when the brake fluid gets hot (yes, it gets hot and expands, like burn your finger hot) and regular OEM pads will melt under the stress. so Brake fade will be inevitable without upgrading these components (ergo, wasted money).
so again, if you're actually concerned about performance you should save teh 1,500 dollars and get yourself a set of braided lines and HH/race grade/sintered brake pads. if you want to splurge, add wave rotors (galfer or the like) which will help with heat dissapation. in concert, these items will blow away the brembo monoblocs that come on the R.
*edit for accuracy*
i learned after posting all daytonas come with braided lines
Again, i'm not trying to piss on the R model or the people that buy them. Just trying to help people understand what it is that make up the differences. I've seen countless posts asking how it handles, etc etc. truth be told, 99% of us will never put the bike anywhere near its limits, which is where you need to be (on the edge of traction) to know if something is helping or hindering.
Cheers,
PB
First and foremost, when making the decision of whether or not to buy the R model you should consider what makes you happy. If you're the type of person that likes special edition color schemes and R badges, there's nothing wrong with that and you should buy what makes you happy. End of story, don't listen to what anybody else has to say.
However, if you're actually pondering the benefit, then I have the following to share with you.
Price difference: 1,500 dollars
What you get:
A special edition color scheme
Ohlins forks
Brembo Mono Blocks up front.
Let's break it down clearly and precisely what this actually means. The color scheme is self explanatory. It's a nice white scheme only available on that model with red and black accents. it looks tits and will certainly get you attention at ride meetups and parking lots.
Ohlins Forks. This sounds cool. Hell, the look cool. Even better, 99% of people don't know what they are or what they're good for---but they sure are pretty and have a name that sounds exotic.
Truth be told, the ohlins forks that come on the Daytona (or even ducati for that matter) are the bottom of the barrel. Real Ohlins catridges, in terms of what racers would buy if they had the money, go for about 10 grand. True story. The components/catridges in the model that come on the R are really no better than showa, etc. A little better, but barely measurable.
Adding to the issue is that they're all made for 175lbs riders (or something like that). The suspension (from a performance perspective) is probably worthless (as are stock forks) considering it's not setup for you. even the 10,000 dollar ohlins are no good if they're not set up properly for you.
Where am I going with this you're probably wondering. Simple. if you're actually concerned about performance, the ohlins suspension will cause more problems than it will solve. it'll cost more to have it set up for you (the internals are more expensive, I know, I have ohlins internals in my showa forks), and there's a bigger chance of an error in setup with all the extra clicks/settings.
If you're really concerned about performance, get the regular model and send the forks to a company like GMD, Traxxion Dynamics or GP suspension and have the springs and valves redone for your weight, skill level and intended application.
Next we have the brembo monoblocs. OK, yes, these are far superior to the regular brakes that come on the regular daytona. but again, you gotta look past the bling and understand why they're "better."
*edit for accuracy*
First of all, most people don't even realize what mono block means. probably because they've never changed their own brake pads. Mono block means the caliper is made out of one piece as opposed to two pieces bolted together. some models are two piston, some are four piston. the R has four piston monoblocs.
The benefit of a monobloc is more even distribution of the friction (less float then bi-block calipers). more even distribution provides a more progressive brake feel and ultimately more stopping power and the pressure is increased. this is why people rave about them. (on a personal note, i much prefer ravenous initial bite from my brakes...let's me know they're working lol).
monoblocs are also less susceptable to brake fade due to extreme tempratures. However, this is erroneous without having some time of Race grade/HH/Sintered Brake Pad and braided lines. Why? because rubber lines will expand when the brake fluid gets hot (yes, it gets hot and expands, like burn your finger hot) and regular OEM pads will melt under the stress. so Brake fade will be inevitable without upgrading these components (ergo, wasted money).
so again, if you're actually concerned about performance you should save teh 1,500 dollars and get yourself a set of braided lines and HH/race grade/sintered brake pads. if you want to splurge, add wave rotors (galfer or the like) which will help with heat dissapation. in concert, these items will blow away the brembo monoblocs that come on the R.
*edit for accuracy*
i learned after posting all daytonas come with braided lines
Again, i'm not trying to piss on the R model or the people that buy them. Just trying to help people understand what it is that make up the differences. I've seen countless posts asking how it handles, etc etc. truth be told, 99% of us will never put the bike anywhere near its limits, which is where you need to be (on the edge of traction) to know if something is helping or hindering.
Cheers,
PB
