Oh god here we go...

 

+1..

Jebus.. you know this is just going to get ugly don't you? :laugh:

 

I'm a Brit so WTF do I know. I can't help but think that peoples' expectations were too high. Look at the healthcare stuff - on which incidentally I express no opinion - it seems to be very difficult to battle against rich and well connected vested interests. And look at the stubbornly high number of people without a job - it's daft to suppose that any president, whether this one or any other, or any prime minsiter, can create enough work to keep everyone happy.

It's the same here - whatever the justice of the proposals, in reality it's damned hard to drive through change.

 

Oh I was going to add, there's an old French proverb - 'plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose' - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

And ain't it true.

 

Ya I agree with you obama was the better choice compared to
mccain I also thing this post might be a response to all the "the government is out to kill us doomsday is coming blah blah" posts I dunno maybe I'm naïve like they say sorry I don't think our gov is the evil empire

 

To be honest, that's a pretty silly question. All you're asking for is baseless speculation which just incites political rancor. I could generate a list of how the decisions made by this administration have screwed our economy. Or I could make a list of Obama's campaign promises that he has since not lived up to our has outrightly broken. But you can google those and find them yourself. For me, suffice it to say that after watching his meeting with Mexican president Calderon, I am actually ashamed to call him our commander and chief.

I'm an Independent for what its worth.

 

To be honest, that's a pretty silly question. All you're asking for is baseless speculation which just incites political rancor.

Pretty sure that was the intent. :laugh:

 

I don't think Obama was the right choice, actually I believe anyone would have been better than Obama. I concur with SexyMeatball about what NOBAMA has done. And really, without a Democrat in office we wouldn't be debating the healthcare issue costing our nation millions and would hopefully focus on the illegal immigration policy. I voted for McCain but I was also in the Army and from AZ. So maybe a lil biased. However, I would like a President who wouldn't spout stupid comments when he supposedly is an eloquent speaker. Whats funny is that he doesn't support the AZ immigration law yet it is taken from federal law.

Really, all we need to do is ignore the media's take on issues and read and know the facts. Hell our politicians can't even do that though.

 

I was hoping that all the McCain supports would take a minute, ignore everything that Obama has done, and wondered what McCain would've done? I don't mean guessing or basing on campaign promises. I mean looking at the current republicans and based off their decisions, what condition would our country be IN COMPARISON TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Let people formulate their own opinion for once, and don't mention Obama. How would the country be if the republicans had complete control... again?

 

Well, if you're really asking for pure speculation, I was never a McCain support. I was a Romney supporter. He was the right guy for the job. Proven track record in fiscal responsible. He ran a profitable business, turned around a dire financial crisis in time to save the Salt Lake City games and righted the horrible deficit in MA in only 4 years to actually create a surplus. As soon as Deval Patrick stepped in, the deficit came right back. I think he would have been the best president considering our current economic state. I also don't think he'd be bowing to a Mexican president who openly asserted that illegal aliens are good for the US and shouldn't be marked as criminals (if you want a good laugh, look up Mexico's immigration laws).

 

Would he have been better? No. Would he have been worse? No. They're the same guy exept for the window dressing. We're a one party system. Like a coin, it has two faces. But just because a coin has two faces doesn't mean it's not the same coin.

 

Would he have been better? No. Would he have been worse? No. They're the same guy except for the window dressing. We're a one party system. Like a coin, it has two faces. But just because a coin has two faces doesn't mean it's not the same coin.

+1 ... 1 Bird of PREY 2 wings, Against the American populace

They were BOTH funded by Goldman Sachs, BARRY SOETORO aka "Obama" got 4 times the amount of funding from Goldman than that old bastard McCain.... McCain's ass should have been gone after the KEATING 5 scandal... It's The BANKS people and the Military Industrial Complex! Not Puppet front runners those people are there to make you feel like you had some type of choice:rofl:

and for you to get mad at.... and then in 4 to 8 years they throw new turd nugget in there and the entire cycle starts over again oh the Democrats think they one.... Oh the Republicans think they one.... No the American people have LOST!

The other thing Mcain is doing right now is this Belligerent ACT hes trying to get passed....He should know better he was a POW.

Promo Vids for McCain and the Borders / Belligerent Act

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and for those of you who hate Barry Soetoro and love Bushy..... You should Love him hes only EXPANDING on what Bush did....

"The Constitution is just a God Damn piece of paper!" - George W. Bush

It doesn't mean anything to them just like any-one of us the government doesnt give a FUCK about you..

puppets don't run the show, and if you try to do the right thing BAM BAM JFK!

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Ride Johnny Ride!..... See ya one day Jack:thumbup::angelsad2:

 

This all I have to say: :biggrinjester:

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You all should have voted for Ron Paul in the '08 primaries. I was glad to see his son win in KY...and Spector out in PA.

 

+10,000 hell yeah ,Im glad Rand won in Kentucky another guy to AUDIT THE FUCKING FED!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:...... If you like Ron Paul Morse then you should know about the banks, instead of all that party BS?

LOL OMSD!!! I shot Diet Pepsi out my nose!!!

mmmmmm enjoy that Aspartame mmmmmmmm Monsanto/Searle TRASH delicious:laugh:

 

Is everything out to get us Qweesy? Please tell me Triumph is not on some mega-corporations bankroll that is out to oppress young people through debt on nice motorcycles and flash mods

 

Not everything but their is quite a bit..... and it is so big ,so horrendous and disgusting that most people will CHOOSE not understand, no matter how much it is in their face... Ignorance isnt bliss my friend PM me if you want proof on Aspartame, Or anything you wish to discuss.

I was a Medic and I found out about Aspartame, Phenylketonurics, Phenylalanine from a doctor in the Army who got me looking in to the poison .......Vaccines, GMO food and Sodium Fluoride....so drink it if it tastes so good, just dont say you weren't warned hell on on every package that's why it is BIG BOLD letters on the back of packages/cans/bottles.... once again hidden in plain sight:nod: .....how often you read the can?

 

You can't bring up the political situation without bringing Obama into it and you cannot look at our system purely with McCain in office because it would be pure speculation and Republicans probably would not have complete contol but would have majority in Congress such as the democrats do now. Obama realized that he wasn't privy to all the information as a candidate that he has as President. Therefore changing his outlook. Not to mention that not all democrats see eye to eye with him and would have opposition by Republicans. This is why we have a bipartisan system. So the whole of the country is represented. Because I sure have experienced universal healthcare being in the Army and having VA benefits. And let me tell you it sucks and I do not want it along with 90% of the country.

As for the immigration thing, the President should've shut his mouth about it. He completely put his foot in his mouth like he has done before about racial issues. That he can be against a law that is a federal law already is quite funny. Yet he has done nothing about federal law accept for overlook it.

People need to do their research on these issues instead of believe the media. And deffinitely not believe a sucky comedian turned into a self proclaimed politician (Bill Maher).

 

Ahh so Qweesy is the "EVERYTHING IS CANCEROUS" type. My sisters ex boyfriend was against yellow number 5 and had to have everything organic and even went as far as saying pasteurized foods were bad. As he was drinking his Silk Soy Milk we disproved all of "Theories" since almost everything he had bought to drink was pasteurized. As with all things, anything in excess is likely to harm you. But these things have to be an absurd, abnormal amount to affect you. Get over it, quit worrying and live life. It's what we are here for.

 

IMHO, get off the Kool aid Qweesy.

Now back to the political thread this was. After watching most of the news networks, Glenn Beck (And yes I'm a fan of his) has presented the most factual based argument than any other journalist or political announcer (Whatever you want to call him) out there. As for the rest of the media, you can obviously see how inaccurate they are by watching their coverage of the AZ SB1070 law. Even when they do quote the bill they spin it to their opinion of it which is basically non-factual racist comments. NY Times has had the best and most neutral stories about it. AND THEY ARE NY. Anyways, lets keep this debate going.

 

IMHO, get off the Kool aid Qweesy.

Now back to the political thread this was. After watching most of the news networks, Glenn Beck (And yes I'm a fan of his) has presented the most factual based argument than any other journalist or political announcer (Whatever you want to call him) out there. As for the rest of the media, you can obviously see how inaccurate they are by watching their coverage of the AZ SB1070 law. Even when they do quote the bill they spin it to their opinion of it which is basically non-factual racist comments. NY Times has had the best and most neutral stories about it. AND THEY ARE NY. Anyways, lets keep this debate going.

Almost makes me want to drink the koolaid if Beck is considered anything but a fear-mongering-capitalist-with-an-agenda-to-fill-his-wallet. Qweesy makes a palatable argument here, as opposed to you...lol!

 

My only comment on the above is:

Glenn Beck is ANYTHING but a journalist

 

My only comment on the above is:

Glenn Beck is ANYTHING but a journalist

Bear in mind, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc are all part of the "Hollywood Elite". They are part of the problem. They spin the media in a way that pads their own wallets for their own benefit, not yours. They are entertainers, nothing more.

 

I know! Thats why I laugh at Glenn Beck...He talks about the "mainstream media" as if he is not as main stream as it gets..

 

Cry baby beck at his best this guy tells you enough half truths to get you interested , Ie: FEMA Camps,Patriot Act, Ron Paul etc... anyway I don't keep up with this guy anyway he sold his soul for 50 MIL.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U"]YouTube- Glenn Beck is a Neocon (Not Conservative, Not Libertarian)[/nomedia]

 

One thing's for sure, the U.S. have become far more popular since Obama got elected. Maybe you don't care, but you should. As for the economy, as always, the fiscally responsible ones will have to right the wrongs of their predecessors, having to scale back their reasonable campaign promises, and get unpopular with ignorants for doing so, leading to their weakening, followed by their replacement by money-burners who promise the moon, who will be evicted, too, completing the circle. And immigration is good for "The Economy", because immigrants, and especially illegal ones, can be pressured into the worse jobs and getting paid peanuts thanks to their inferior status due to immigration laws and the wrecking of their home countries, enabling countries to join in the worldwide social dumping which became king as soon as capitalism had declared it was The Only Way. That's when you should realise "The Economy"'s meat is the citizen's poison. McCain would've just extended the money-burning part of the cycle, no biggie.

 

It figures a person from NYC would think this way. Yes Glenn Beck is in the MAINSTREAM MEDIA but like I said, he has provided facts for his argument as opposed to others. After deploying to Iraq, I stopped watching the news because of all the silly crap they reported, but since taking a Political Science class this semester, I have watched more news stories than ever before. Which only helps make my argument when you have 3/4 of the media reporting false information. We can agree to disagree with this one though. As for immigration, I have done 3 research papers in the last 3 years for college. The last was a pro, con and rebuttal. The pro's for immigration reform far out number the cons. The cost to the U.S. in social services and healthcare is extremely large. If we were able to control immigration better, these costs would decrease therefore helping the economic situation. Not to mention the immigrants would not be used and treated like crap for their "Inferior" status. I was born and raised in Phoenix, AZ and I have seen how the city has changed over time due to illegal immigration. Thats why AZ is #2 in the WORLD for kidnappings. I can keep going but you really should do your own research on the subject.

 

It figures a person from NYC would think this way.

I had to look through the posts to make sure there was no one else from NYC that you could be directing that comment to. What the hell does being from NYC have to do with Glen Beck being a nutball idiot just riding the wave of whatever sensationalist conservative position that'll keep him syndicated?

Congrats on your school papers. Let us know when they are good enough for publication in a peer reviewed journal and then they'll carry some weight. SKADouche...

 

Most of the people I have met or talked to from NYC seem to have drank the Kool Aid and do not like Glenn Beck. Theres no disrespect in my comments, not saying my writing is good enough to be published but I'm also not an idiot. I have done the research and know the statistics.

What I find interesting is that Obama said this would be the most transparent administration yet a few of his "Advisors" have a socialist attitude and once that is exposed they end up leaving the position they are in. Ohh and then there is the whole Acorn scandal.

 

Most of the people I have met or talked to from NYC seem to have drank the Kool Aid and do not like Glenn Beck. Theres no disrespect in my comments, not saying my writing is good enough to be published but I'm also not an idiot. I have done the research and know the statistics.

What I find interesting is that Obama said this would be the most transparent administration yet a few of his "Advisors" have a socialist attitude and once that is exposed they end up leaving the position they are in. Ohh and then there is the whole Acorn scandal.

dude you were in Iraq as well so I'm assuming you were a soldier..... so how can you stand that fat pompous fuck when every word out of his mouth is BS? you know the MSM is 90% Lies

Although I have heard he got a little better after the thing with, Hopeful Texas guv'na candidate Debra Medina and the 9-11 thing... after losing over 1/3 of his listeners:laugh:

Bro He supports the Patriot Act/MIAC and DHS report.... You read any of these? you and me as Veterans are NUMBER #1 as domestic terrorists #2 on the list is gun owners..... Hows that make you feel.....

Like I said I rarely watch TV anyways but in a few posts above watch the "glen beck Neocon" video hear it from his own mouth......

Glen Benedict Beck, co-opted the REAL tea party along with that dumb bitch Palin and made it in to this Republican Movement, Its a 1 party system.... Its a 1 party system......The NeW WoRlD OrDeR system, whats changed since Bush,Clinton,Bush,Soetoro? Not a damn thing man.... Reagan the owl worshiper was better than these 4 but the man behind his success was Paul Craig Roberts "Father of Reaganomics"

Havent had a real one since :fullauto:JFK

 

I watched the video you posted.

Yes I was in the Army as an Aircraft Electrician and was deployed to Iraq in 03' to 04' and 05' to 06'. After my first deployment I stopped watching any news stories about the conflict. It just irritated the crap out of me to hear what the media had to say and how inaccurate the info was. Now my wife won't even allow me to watch anything slgihtly related to war because of the therapist that diagnosed me with PTSD. I am a gun owner as well, but pretty much all of my gun owning rights have gone out the window since I recently moved to CA. To open carry here I have to have my firearm in a holster, without a round chambered and without a clip/magazine in the loaded. It is also next to impossible to get a CCW here.

As I mentioned above, I do not think our country would be much better at this point with McCain in office. However, I think we wouldn't have a President bowing to foreign leaders or making idiotic statements about an immigration law that is derived by and written with Federal Immigration laws that are currently in effect.

 

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On a more serious note, you got brainwashed by the army, how could you be trusted to spot other forms of brainwashing ? :itsok: Three quarters of the news are lies, yeah, especially when three quarters of the news you watch is "FAIR and BALANCED" :curtsey:

So, raise you hands in the air if you want to be president ! Hi mister Obama, sorry mister McCain :biggrinjester:

Putting all new yorkers in the same bag is about as disrespectful as me thinking all americans are ignorant bigoted ******** armed to the teeth and with serious penis compensation issues, and I don't do that, now, do I ? Well, one thing is true, new yorkers may have had a chance to realize their lifestyle isn't The Only One. Looks like we kinda got sidetracked again, there.

Obama doesn't nearly suck as much as the situation republicans are majorly responsible for, and into which McCain would've sunk even deeper, despite his maverick wannabe style.

 

On a more serious note, you got brainwashed by the army, how could you be trusted to spot other forms of brainwashing ?

Any valid points you may have had, you negated by saying something so stupid.

Pity.

 

Army brainwashing people? I think you are confusing the Army with the Marine Corps. It may happen, but I was in Aviation. I wasn't brainwashed.

 

This thread is just all about jackin' I guess.

I really hate it when people associate brainwashing with the military in general, but specifically when it comes to the Marine Corps. Those who have not been there should not talk about shit they do not know. I was a Scout in the Marine Corps during Gulf War, serving alongside a bunch of great people, and losing some of them. None of which were brainwashed in the least.

Smoke - As Aviator said, any good points you may have made, particularly about generalizing, were just completely nulled and voided with that statement.

/end threadjack

I don't think McCain would have been able to function as an effective president because the spector of Palin would have overshadowed the White House. I think we would have seen even greater divide between political factions and the public because she would have eventually "just gone all mavericky" and pissed off her own party. Just my $.02

 

I really hate it when people associate brainwashing with the military in general, but specifically when it comes to the Marine Corps

Not necessarily brainwashed but the mentality that is instilled in many Marines gives this perception to others. I agree with you though.

Would Palin's specter have been more than the racial issue for Obama?

 

I believe it would have been because she is third on the totem pole in how we rank groups of individuals in terms of their abilities and effectiveness in organizational hierarchies (based on large and widely studied ethnic categories).

1) White males, 2) black males, 3) white women, 4) black women.

Research is still a little fuzzy on other major ethnic categories, but generally Asian-American males fall somewhere along the continuum near white males, and there has not been enough work with Hispanic and Latino populations to determine where they generally fall.

Women in organizations still earn significantly less, are offered less developmental opportunities, do not rise as quickly as males, and tend to plateau lower in the organization often due to their being placed in staff jobs rather than line jobs. Much of this happens as a result of traditional gender roles and socialization norms our society has adopted and maintains in that women have a more direct duty as caregivers at home, and that these events could cause serious disruptions in their ability to grow the organization in top positions with large amounts of responsibility and authority.

These findings translate across the organizational world in the US, and are not very different in the world of politics. Think about all of the American women in top political spots. How are they perceived? Are they warm, family-style mom's who just happen to be Supreme Court Justices? Should they have to be?

Americans would rather have a black male in one of the top US offices than a white female. There are of course exceptions to the rule, and I have no doubt that we will eventually see a woman in the top office. I hope it's not her, but she appeals to a large category of Americans so who knows. As much as things change, they still stay pretty much the same.

 

Well we already had one female in office. We all know Hilary ran the white house while Bill was getting a BJ.

Although the Vice Presidents role has been expanded over time, the VP role is basically to wait around and take office only if the President is taken out of office for some reason. I think she wouldn't have been able to do much in that role.

 

Well we already had one female in office. We all know Hilary ran the white house while Bill was getting a BJ.

Although the Vice Presidents role has been expanded over time, the VP role is basically to wait around and take office only if the President is taken out of office for some reason. I think she wouldn't have been able to do much in that role.

A funny statement no doubt, and perhaps even partly rooted in truth. The fact is though, Hillary did not get elected into anything. Lets stick with those who are elected into direct power, not wielding indirect power via marriage.

I don't doubt that she wouldn't have been able to do much with the office, particularly since she couldn't even describe what the VP's job was...on national television. But given how the previous administration (read old scary man Cheney) "expanded" the VP's powers illegally, and how set McCain & Palin were on taking those expanded powers out for a test drive, I think that was just one more strike against voters wanting to seeing her try.