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Looks like Al is vouching for the guy making the parts...

We've not held the same line on advertising on this site that we do on TRat.net and I've pretty much just grown accustomed to ignoring these kinds of posts on this site.

I can definitely tell you that something like this would get nuked over there but that doesn't seem to be a vertical scope decision as much as it is a leftover methodology from the previous owner that the moderating team on that site still support and defend.

The rules get set by the mods and admins who have been working on that site for years. Vertical Scope really has nothing to say about how we run it, they just really provide the background support.
 

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Im siding with the vendors on this one. They pay their dues afterall.
 

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A great looking products for our bikes are hard to come by. If nobody's complaining then I would let it be. It will go away in a short time anyway.
(a vendor PM'd me to complain about Powertripp just a few days ago, which is why I ended up making a thread about it).

I left that part out, rather the vendor remain anonymous.
 

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You'd rather the vendor remain anonymous within us? I don't see the point. It's not like he's complaining to you personally, he's bringing up the issue to you as a representative of 675.net ;).

Anyway, if a paying vendor has an issue with it then we should keep it in check. Either establish a very limited and well monitored free advertising program (something like one advertising post per month in an approved subforum), or completely get rid of free advertising all together.

Whatever is decided, a thread needs to be sticked to inform all the members of the change. Clear guidelines need to be established, like what constitutes advertising. That being said, signature lines need to be addressed as well. Can people put vendor information in their sig line, whether or not they are related to the company? What if a member likes a particular bike shop in his area and decides to give it some exposure by listing the shop info in his sig, is that kosher or not?

These are the kind of guidelines that need to be set up.

That being said...

Not it.
 

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Lol, fair enough Burke. RidersDiscount sent me a PM and specified a thread that Powertripp posted on.

And I do agree. I think the signature links should be allowed, but posting about your company should be prohibited unless you are paying for it.
 

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What was Rider's Discount's compaint about the PowerTripp thread?

I'm of two minds on the whole thing. I agree with Scott that it is hard to find new shinies for our bikes, so I'm disinclined to discourage folks from coming here with stuff to sell.

But I also agree that our vendors pay their dues for the right to advertise here and should enjoy special priviledges because of that.

My initial thought was that we should allow the little guys to do their stuff, but only if they are offering products that our other vendors do not. But that becomes hard to police and discourages competition. Just because they pay their dues, does not mean our vendors get to have a monopoly after all. And, with the scarcity of stuff for our bikes', it likely would be a monopoly. So we'd potentially be doing a disservice to our users.

So, what if we do this? On SVRider.com (another forum managed by our Canuckistani overlords), they have a set of forums clearly focused on each paying vendor. It is a separate section - just like we have the general area, off topic, racing, ladies, etc. - and each vendor has its own sub-forum in that area that they run. They get an extra hit of advertising because everyone can see their name on the main forum page (currently, they are hidden in the US Vendor, UK Vendor, etc. sub-forums in the marketplace section).

The other guys can set up threads in the groupbuys or classifieds section, as appropriate, to hawk their wares. Just like any other user, and subject to the same rules (i.e. no bumping of threads, no price policing, etc.) We can amend the rules of the classifieds to add a line in there about how, at our discretion, if we see undue activity from a single commercial user of the classifieds section, we may encourage (by way of disabling their ability to post in the classifieds) them to consider ponying up for advertising space.

I think something like this would require much less oversight from us than implementing a 1-thread/month rule and whatnot. If we implement a hard and fast rule, that means we have to police it. If we kind of put a loosy goosey guideline out there, we can enforce as necessary.

I'd also throw out that I don't see any reason why we should restrict them to only selling things our current vendors do not. I.e. if someone has a really good deal on Pazzos and can undercut our vendors by 10%, they should be able to post that up. Our paying vendors can either drop their price to compete, or suck it up. The whole monopoly and competition, thang.

I also think people's signatures are their signatures. So long as they abide by the general 'must be SFW' guideline, I don't think we should over-regulate them. Shoot, hardly ever look at 'em anyway.

Thoughts?
 

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Another point to consider - what, exactly, do the advertising vendors get when they sign up to pay for space on the site. I'm sure there's a contract somewhere that says 'in exchange for $X you get A, B and C. If you pay $Y, you get A, B, C and D.'

It'd be good to know what they're being promised when they pony up, so we can handle the little guys accordingly.
 

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I don't really care either way, but on the other site we don't allow non-sponsor advertising and we don't allow corporate links in signature lines. It was that way long before Vertical Scope bought the site, and remains that way today.

The other thing to consider is that if someone comes in here selling their stuff, there is an implied level of consent on the part of the siet and if said member starts screwing over members here, there is somewhat of an expectation that the moderators and admins on the site do something to mediate the situation or help recover the losses since the transactions occurred through the site.

That's the reason for the strick position held on the other site. Paying vendors have proven themselves to be a worthwhile company (In most cases) and have a business reputation to uphold. We have an advertising contract with them and solid information on who runs the company and who the contacts are.

Little guys coming in here have none of those things and left unmonitored can create some pretty ugly situations, need I remind you all about all the shit that grasshopper caused?

Anyway, I'm fine enforcing whatever the admins decide, I just want to bring up these points for consideration...
 

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Hey guys,

Yung here. Hope you guys don't mind me chiming in.

Here's my two cents.

- we definitely do not want to pee-off the paying vendors.

- if the culture of this community is to allow things like this, perhaps it's time to curtail it; personally, on most of the sites I watch over, the community does not allow for this type of advertising and/or for non-paying vendors to display links to businesses in their siggies. Again, that is something we should discuss.

- Subforums cannot be created for vendors unless it's done by the motorcycle.com sales team because vendors pay for this extra "perk" so to speak.

I was going to write a PM to the user PowerTripp but I will hold off until I hear a little more from you guys! Thanks folks.

Yung
 

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I don't know.. I think the mess we have now is almost perfect!


(kidding) :biggrinjester:
 

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My personal opinion is that left as it is, unchecked and unmonitored, it is only a matter of time before it creates a problem with paying sponsors saying, "Why the hell do I pay to support the site when other vendors come in here for free and undercut my prices?"

It's like supporting your local dealership vs. buying shit online. People who order stuff online and complain about the prices at the local dealership are the first to bitch about local dealerships closing down and the fact that they have to drive several hundred miles to find the nearest dealership.

I think it's time to tighten it up...

Jeff
 
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