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Old 11-22-12, 04:44   #1
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Default [Track] Really fast corners and throttle...

What do you do with throttle control before facing those REALLY fast corners, which still provide full lean angle & knee down?

1. Roll off (just a little), keep it steady, then turn?
2. Not rolling off and keep the throttle steady, then turn?
3. ???

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Old 11-22-12, 05:21   #2
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Option 1.

Roll off a little, neutral throttle, tip in, hit the apex, pick the bike up and whack it open again.

It does depend on the corner speed though. Some you will keep the throttle pinned, some you will have to roll off a little bit.
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by neutral throttle do you mean keeping it stactic/steady when you roll off just a little, or a hair open when you (almost) completely roll off?
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Just keep it open, but not wide open.

This might help a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH7JuzgRgp4

Turns out I'm not actually doing what I'm saying I should be doing. Thus, do whatever feels the best for you.

I'm rolling off much more than I thought. (0:18 and 1:40 marks)

But in the end you want to have power on the rear wheel to maintain chain tension across the top to create anti-squat.

Edit: Somebody stop me if I'm talking shit
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Maintenence throttle.
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Maintenence throttle.
That's the word I was looking for
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I don't feel steady in any corner under 6000rpm. So I match my gear for the speed so that I can keep it above 6000 the whole way through, going neutral for downhill, slightly positive for level ground (to account for friction lowering speed) and trying to increase throttle as I'm headed through an uphill turn.
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I don't feel steady in any corner under 6000rpm. So I match my gear for the speed so that I can keep it above 6000 the whole way through, going neutral for downhill, slightly positive for level ground (to account for friction lowering speed) and trying to increase throttle as I'm headed through an uphill turn.
For track riding if you can maintain 10k RPM you're in the good range...you can drop down to 8K every now and then; but once you go below that the bike has essentially fallen flat on its face and will take longer to get back to the power band.
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what does steady means anyways? maybe i'm having problems with english because it isnt my mother language.

for me: steady on throttle = stactic on throttle = not moving your wrist = neutral throttle = maintenance throttle = not rolling on/off

right?

and when you say ur "slightly positive", does it means increasing throttle+increasing lean angle? isnt this wrong?
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what does steady means anyways? maybe i'm having problems with english because it isnt my mother language.

for me: steady on throttle = stactic on throttle = not moving your wrist = neutral throttle = maintenance throttle = not rolling on/off

right?

and when you say ur "slightly positive", does it means increasing throttle+increasing lean angle? isnt this wrong?

I don't know if it's "wrong" to add throttle and lean at the same time but it is the most common reasons for crashes. I have done it on accident when I was first learning throttle control and never crashed but it was on mild street riding and I wasn't in the high RPM range either so it would make it more difficult for the rear to spin up on me.

I think at some point you are either maintenance throttle while leaning or slightly rolling on because if you have a decreasing radius turn and you have to tighten up your line the throttle still needs to be there to keep the suspension working properly.

Just my thoughts on that anyway.....could be wrong.
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