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13+ ss build. tuning, suspension etc

After hours of searching for info (possibly in the wrong place) I'm at a loss. Building my race 675r 2013.

What are you guys doing to tune them? Can you tune them via a re-flash?

Power commander better option, secondary fuel module needed?
(On my '13 636 it was just pc5 and ignition module)

Midwest CCS hasn't seen many that I'm aware of .. at least on the expert grid. So I'm limited to asking questions, there is many intelligent people on this forum!

From what I've gathered on the 13+ (fast expert pace)

-Attack Triples (in which I need to learn more about the bikes geometry) although we have autobahn first up and it seems that a very flickable bike maybe ideal.. the speeds are not that great here..
-Rear suspension link and plates(more chassis geometry)
-The APE camshaft gears for the build(more learning)
-kit/race valves (or at least springs??) best source
-Full exhaust-- I'm sure they all are similar hp output wise .. i will end up building one more then likely (fabricator by trade)
- Block off plates (have to look more into this)
ahh learning a new chassis

Is the race ecu/harness worth the coin? like legitimately is it worth it? Seems you need special software to tune it? Rasing the rev limiter worth it? are these making peak power up top? From what I know about engines, more rpms make more hp *for the most part.

I have no gauge cluster, I was thinking about setting up a different dash but in the end a used cluster will be cheaper...

I have no ignition either so I will be forum searching on a DIY keyless setup hopefully.

I'll do a search on service manual , race manual
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Race manual: http://assets1.triumphmotorcycles.co...Issue_1_EN.PDF

Service manual for the 13's on up I never did find online so had to buy it.

I'm looking at tuning myself & not sure as to which way to go with either.
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Kinda have the easy options and then the hard ones $ wise....

Easy: Add a Power Commander V & Some type of exup simulator..

Harder: Kit harness, Kit ecu, Power Commander V & ignition module.

Most of you people are not capable of being your GD self, to damn worried about being politcally correct.
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Kinda have the easy options and then the hard ones $ wise....

Easy: Add a Power Commander V & Some type of exup simulator..

Harder: Kit harness, Kit ecu, Power Commander V & ignition module.
exup is a exhaust servo eliminator?

I have personally never run Bazzaz but it seems like it maybe another option? Quick Shifter, Fuel tuning and traction control?

TC is probably not needed..
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Race manual: http://assets1.triumphmotorcycles.co...Issue_1_EN.PDF

Service manual for the 13's on up I never did find online so had to buy it.

I'm looking at tuning myself & not sure as to which way to go with either.
Thanks for the link
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I'm building one for track use too. The 13+ ECU's can't be reflashed, even with the race ECU, so you'll need a Power Commander or Bazzazz. If you do get a race ECU, the rev limit defaults to 15.5k RPM, so you have to get the kit parts to cope with a higher limit, or an ignition module for the PC V to lower the limit back to stock.

A kit ECU & harness are on my short list simply because I want to ditch the ABS system. I find it ridiculous that Triumph makes you manually turn the ABS off every time you cycle the ignition.

Your list of parts would make a very competitive bike. The Attack triples aren't so much to slow down the steering but to keep the front planted. I rode a stock bike and one with Attacks back-to-back and the difference is night and day. No matter how much we moved the forks around on the stock bike, the front felt like it was pushing in sweepers. With the Attacks, you turn the bike and it sticks on rails. It's not a cheap mod but it's on my "must have" list.

My local dealer says Triumph doesn't scan their manuals in PDF like most other manufacturers. They gave me digital copies of some other manuals, so I know they're not bullshˇtting me. I found a scanned copy on eBay.
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Bolt on mods-full exhaust, filter
Engine mods-Degreed cams, springs, milled head and thinner head gasket
Suspension mods-revalve/respring forks, attacks
Tuning mods-PcV, Ign mod and a dyno with a competent tuner

This should get you 90% to where you want to be. Bolt ons and suspension will get you close, then do the SS build on the engine.

Good luck!

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Thanks for the link
No prob. If u need something form the service manual let me know & I can post up some pics of you're looking for
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I'm building one for track use too. The 13+ ECU's can't be reflashed, even with the race ECU, so you'll need a Power Commander or Bazzazz. If you do get a race ECU, the rev limit defaults to 15.5k RPM, so you have to get the kit parts to cope with a higher limit, or an ignition module for the PC V to lower the limit back to stock.

A kit ECU & harness are on my short list simply because I want to ditch the ABS system. I find it ridiculous that Triumph makes you manually turn the ABS off every time you cycle the ignition.

Your list of parts would make a very competitive bike. The Attack triples aren't so much to slow down the steering but to keep the front planted. I rode a stock bike and one with Attacks back-to-back and the difference is night and day. No matter how much we moved the forks around on the stock bike, the front felt like it was pushing in sweepers. With the Attacks, you turn the bike and it sticks on rails. It's not a cheap mod but it's on my "must have" list.

My local dealer says Triumph doesn't scan their manuals in PDF like most other manufacturers. They gave me digital copies of some other manuals, so I know they're not bullshˇtting me. I found a scanned copy on eBay.
Thank you for the information! Anything I can learn about this cycle I am grateful for! From what I have read, the money is well spent. ... but I just hope for the money that this will handle better then my 636.
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