Sliding front tire

[kmo]

happened to me twice. once it gave me headshake at full lean, I felt i was going down but somehow pulled myself back on the bike and didnt.

Second time was turn 1 at NJMP. Felt the bike falling out from under me, my outside leg came off the peg and i thought I was going down, again bike seemed to correct itself and i was back on. No idea how i was still on the bike though, guessing my outside knee was still pressed in the tank. Either way majorly scary!

I actually got the first one on film. Hard to see because my camera mount was really shaky but if you look at my handlebars at 1:02 you can see them doing some oscillating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQBsiHfXxw&feature=plcp

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by kmo

happened to me twice. once it gave me headshake at full lean, I felt i was going down but somehow pulled myself back on the bike and didnt.

Second time was turn 1 at NJMP. Felt the bike falling out from under me, my outside leg came off the peg and i thought I was going down, again bike seemed to correct itself and i was back on. No idea how i was still on the bike though, guessing my outside knee was still pressed in the tank. Either way majorly scary!

I actually got the first one on film. Hard to see because my camera mount was really shaky but if you look at my handlebars at 1:02 you can see them doing some oscillating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQBsiHfXxw&feature=plcp

Nice, thanks for the video! Everyone has different reaction times and it's funny when you react to something faster then you can even think about reacting to it.....I think that right there is what sets the natural riders apart from the ones who really have to work at going at a certain pace or how well they pick up riding.

When I first started riding about 3 months after I got my first bike I accidently locked up my front brake and the bike started chattering really badly. I made it out without downing the bike, natural reaction just took over and I corrected the mistake.....in my head afterwords I thought to myself "yea let's not do that anymore" lol....

[ttilghman]

for sure front end slides are much harder to catch than the rear. i had a bike that had front end issues all last season. i lost it once but was able to catch it at least half a dozen times. reducing radius (stop turning so hard) and standing the bike up a hair so it can regain grip, all very quickly, is what saved me when it worked. if it becomes a regular issue like it was with me, start working on your suspension and maybe playing with tire pressure. if your tire is soft it'll get too hot/greasy and start sliding around, conversely if it's too hard you lose grip too. so when you're riding hard you want to see your tire pressure increase 3-4 pounds from cold to hot. exactly what kind of tire compounds you're running can make a difference in grip and heat as well.

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by ttilghman

for sure front end slides are much harder to catch than the rear. i had a bike that had front end issues all last season. i lost it once but was able to catch it at least half a dozen times. reducing radius (stop turning so hard) and standing the bike up a hair so it can regain grip, all very quickly, is what saved me when it worked. if it becomes a regular issue like it was with me, start working on your suspension and maybe playing with tire pressure. if your tire is soft it'll get too hot/greasy and start sliding around, conversely if it's too hard you lose grip too. so when you're riding hard you want to see your tire pressure increase 3-4 pounds from cold to hot. exactly what kind of tire compounds you're running can make a difference in grip and heat as well.

Cool thanks for the input!

[FlyinBrian24]

I started sliding the front end this summer. The first time was at heartland park in the heat of july.It scared the crap out of me,but I just did what Dylan Code at California Superbike School told me to do. Go nuetral throttle and relax on the bars it will catch it self.
I've since slid the front a half dozen time a several different tracks in varying weather conditions and it's worked every time. It works well enough that I trail brake waaaay later knowing I'll be able to save it if I get a little to aggressive on the brakes.

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by FlyinBrian24

I started sliding the front end this summer. The first time was at heartland park in the heat of july.It scared the crap out of me,but I just did what Dylan Code at California Superbike School told me to do. Go nuetral throttle and relax on the bars it will catch it self.
I've since slid the front a half dozen time a several different tracks in varying weather conditions and it's worked every time. It works well enough that I trail brake waaaay later knowing I'll be able to save it if I get a little to aggressive on the brakes.

Ah nice! I was going to ask when I went there to the school.

[FlyinBrian24]

Rink,C.S.S. is a good investment. I Plan to go do levels 3&4 this yr @ Barber in June. Where are you planning on going?

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by FlyinBrian24

Rink,C.S.S. is a good investment. I Plan to go do levels 3&4 this yr @ Barber in June. Where are you planning on going?

Oh I know it's worth it, the crappy part is I have to pay for a plane ticket, hotel, car rental and bike deposit for the S1000 because there is nothing close to MN. I was supposed to go back in November but couldn't swing the added costs of everything so I just had them hold my deposit for another future class.

Hopefully I will be back in CA in March and not have to pay for all the other added costs and just rent a bike since I just sold my 675 race bike.

[FlyinBrian24]

I used the Beemer for level 1&2 but will use my daytona this time. the beemer was a blast to ride. I think I will benefit more by using my own equipment as Its sprung and valved for me.Plus I want to improve on my weakest skill set; Braking. I don't think I will learn as much with ABS. Besides,I've found I like being able to lock a wheel to get the bike turned. In my opinion a rider will never get really fast unless they get comfortable sliding both ends of the bike.

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by FlyinBrian24

I used the Beemer for level 1&2 but will use my daytona this time. the beemer was a blast to ride. I think I will benefit more by using my own equipment as Its sprung and valved for me.Plus I want to improve on my weakest skill set; Braking. I don't think I will learn as much with ABS. Besides,I've found I like being able to lock a wheel to get the bike turned. In my opinion a rider will never get really fast unless they get comfortable sliding both ends of the bike.

Yea braking is mine too, not the act of braking but getting a reference point and getting the braking done properly without under shooting myself is my issue. I always find myself being able to brake later then I am actually doing because I approach the corner slower then I wanted to.

I have done the 3rd gear no brakes and I am decent (nobody is perfect lol) with judging speed and distance but once I throw braking in the mix it just messes me up.