[Track] Really fast corners and throttle...

[sittingturbo]

Originally Posted by Rink675

I don't know if it's "wrong" to add throttle and lean at the same time but it is the most common reasons for crashes. I have done it on accident when I was first learning throttle control and never crashed but it was on mild street riding and I wasn't in the high RPM range either so it would make it more difficult for the rear to spin up on me.

I think at some point you are either maintenance throttle while leaning or slightly rolling on because if you have a decreasing radius turn and you have to tighten up your line the throttle still needs to be there to keep the suspension working properly.

Just my thoughts on that anyway.....could be wrong.

With experience and properly set up bike, you can get on the throttle quite aggressively while leaned over. It is a feel thing, you need to be able to feel when its starting to spin up or step out on you. So much of this discussion is a mute issue, because every turn is different, so without us all discussing a specific turn at a specific track, we will all be on different pages.

[Rink675]

Originally Posted by sittingturbo

With experience and properly set up bike, you can get on the throttle quite aggressively while leaned over. It is a feel thing, you need to be able to feel when its starting to spin up or step out on you. So much of this discussion is a mute issue, because every turn is different, so without us all discussing a specific turn at a specific track, we will all be on different pages.

Ah ok, I just never wanted to test the limits of it on the street.

[Red October]

Originally Posted by sittingturbo

With experience and properly set up bike, you can get on the throttle quite aggressively while leaned over. It is a feel thing, you need to be able to feel when its starting to spin up or step out on you. So much of this discussion is a mute issue, because every turn is different, so without us all discussing a specific turn at a specific track, we will all be on different pages.

A rule of thumb our instructors teach here is (assuming good sticky surface on a nice warm day and neutral camber):
If your knee is just touching, you can get to WOT using 1-2-3 count.
If your knee is firmly planted, use 1-2-3-4-5 to get to WOT.

The rest is feel.

[Ricardo_]

touching the tarmac?
firmly planted on the asphalt?

[Smoke]

Maintenance throttle = the throttle you need to keep your speed from varying

You can try a bit of rear brake, among the other techniques discussed. Of course, some will tell you the rear brake is useless

[Red October]

Originally Posted by rikke

touching the tarmac?
firmly planted on the asphalt?

touching: put knee down, feel the ground, pull it back up.
Firmly: if you can't really pull it up

[Ricardo_]

but what to do with throttle application before attack the fast corner, wich demands full lean?

i think rolling off a little bit and then steady/maintenance is the winner.

[Red October]

Originally Posted by rikke

but what to do with throttle application before attack the fast corner, wich demands full lean?

i think rolling off a little bit and then steady/maintenance is the winner.

Trail brake, then start rolling on, using the "once the throttle is cracked open..." rule, until you have desired direction, then 1-2-3?

[lokodog]

I can see how this would be different at each track. At Fontana Speedway there is turn 2 and a little sweeper between turn 4 and 5 ( I don't think it has a number). Entry speed is slow into those corners because you're just coming out of another corner, but you can move pretty good in those corners midway through. I just pin it and pray! She likes to dance between shifts. I'm pretty sure that's not the right way of doing it though and im not very quick.

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[TonyNyc]

Originally Posted by sittingturbo

With experience and properly set up bike, you can get on the throttle quite aggressively while leaned over. It is a feel thing, you need to be able to feel when its starting to spin up or step out on you. So much of this discussion is a mute issue, because every turn is different, so without us all discussing a specific turn at a specific track, we will all be on different pages.

Word.