2013 Daytona 675 & 675R first look

[MacBandit]

Originally Posted by munch

what happened to the projectors?

I suspect they cut them because plastic reflectors typically weigh less.

[Nyuscdjs]

Originally Posted by louie3

Not same power. Different engine, more hp, more torque, lighter weight. Also has ABS

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=50261

Two more HP and two more ft/lb is easily achievable with the arrow exhaust. So yes, for $1,800 more than a '12, add a Yoyodyne and Aftermarket exhaust and what have you really gained? Seriously?


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[Nyuscdjs]

...and if you are buying an R model, why do you need ABS since your riding on a track. This isn't a liter bike.


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[MacBandit]

ABS applies to all sizes of bikes. Traction control can be argued. ABS can prevent endoing your bike or washing the front end on the oil slick the last dipstick left on the track when he went down because he didn't know how to use his brakes. I have to say personally I don't like ABS because it takes some fun away from riding but it definitely has it's uses.

[Nyuscdjs]

Originally Posted by MacBandit

The new 2013 has a completely different motor. From what I've read it sounds like it will be easier to develop more reliable power. It has a separate cylinder block now which makes me think they've probably gotten away from the floating cylinder liner which was a weak point on the WSS bike. Also it has high and low speed fuel injectors. Not to mention the fact that it has a factory slipper means the fuel injection is likely tuned to work with it which is alway as huge advantage. Also it has lighter wheels a lighter stiffer frame. It weighs less it has more power. No reason to go all crazy about this trying to make yourself feel better about your bike. This doesn't take anything away from what you have. If you love what you have that's all you need to know.

It's not about making someone feel better about their bike. It is the marketing game these manufacturers have when they don't want to make a significant upgrade. Are you saying that you truly believe this is a significant step forward for the Daytona line, or just a mid cycle update? If you want a bike that is lighter with more power and more electronics, there are plenty of other manufacturers. I thought the reason we all bought the Daytona was for a combination of performance, handling, sound, torque (which they admit they have sacrificed for top end), looks and emotion. Sorry, I respect your opinion but I believe more people find this to be a "follower move" rather than a "leader move" which has been a hallmark of triumph since they were reborn.


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[MacBandit]

Originally Posted by Nyuscdjs

Two more HP and two more ft/lb is easily achievable with the arrow exhaust. So yes, for $1,800 more than a '12, add a Yoyodyne and Aftermarket exhaust and what have you really gained? Seriously?


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Yes it's easily achievable but again you are starting with less with the older motor. The new bike is definitely offers it's money's worth. Maybe not to you but it does on an entire package basis.

[Nyuscdjs]

I've had abs on my street bikes since 1992 with my BMW k75s. On the street it is invaluable. On the track, if you think ABS will keep you up when you hit that oil slick on heavy trail braking into the turn, I will happily meet you at your track, put some oil down and let you prove your thesis. If your right you make $500. If your wrong, your bike will need some serious repair.

Are you still confident about the oil on the track comment?


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[MacBandit]

Originally Posted by Nyuscdjs

It's not about making someone feel better about their bike. It is the marketing game these manufacturers have when they don't want to make a significant upgrade. Are you saying that you truly believe this is a significant step forward for the Daytona line, or just a mid cycle update? If you want a bike that is lighter with more power and more electronics, there are plenty of other manufacturers. I thought the reason we all bought the Daytona was for a combination of performance, handling, sound, torque (which they admit they have sacrificed for top end), looks and emotion. Sorry, I respect your opinion but I believe more people find this to be a "follower move" rather than a "leader move" which has been a hallmark of triumph since they were reborn.


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This is a completely new bike from the ground up. The motor is completely different other then the side cases. They raised the rpm limit but we haven't seen any dyno graphs yet. I would be surprised if at any point the new bike isn't making at least a tiny bit more power then the old bike.

As for a combination. This bike has improved on every point you mentioned.

[Blinker]

Originally Posted by MacBandit

This is a completely new bike from the ground up. The motor is completely different other then the side cases. They raised the rpm limit but we haven't seen any dyno graphs yet. I would be surprised if at any point the new bike isn't making at least a tiny bit more power then the old bike.

As for a combination. This bike has improved on every point you mentioned.

Ditto - this thing is ground-up new. Motor should have a significantly broader spread of power even though the stock bump in absolute HP is minimal. Plus with the new bigger bore/shorter stroke motor, they have a perfect platform to stroke it back to the old 675 numbers and cheaply build us an 800 for 2014. This bike with an 800cc motor in it and some 30mm triples and my checkbook would start vibrating!

[Noodles]

I think that reflector headlights are a lot cheaper than projectors. On a side note, are those new production Pirellis, or just for show?

Nuno!