Seems to me that the 800 is MV's version of an "R" with a better suspension than the B675 but for any company, let alone one that is already on the rocks, to offer the same model with two engine choices so close in size and output just doesn't make any sense to me.
Ducati is confusing enough with the M696/795/796/1100/1100EVO and M1100 "Diesel"....... now that's one ugly Duc .....
Drives dealers nuts and confuses the buyer.......
Fewer/better makes more sense to me so I hope not.
I remember when I first saw the " Diesel " Duc . I seriously thought at first it was a diesel powered v twin . I was astatic. Then I saw it was only a fashion piece .. Total turn off. I like the Brutale . More than the Monsters surprisingly .
Fake motards, or sporty nakeds, are the big sellers of the moment (only second to the adventure tourers). Logically every manufacturer wants a piece of the pie.
The Diesel Monsters is a special edition, not a new model per se. Believe me, it looks a hell of a lot better in the metal than on photo's. There are little touches all over that really set it apart from a normal 1100.
The MV's look good and I hope that MV will pull it off.
You misunderstand me, which is fair considering my statement is rather vague if it isn't taken as a reply to the photo posted directly above it.
By 'fake motard' I am referring specifically to the Ducati Hypermotard and the upcomeing MV Agusta Rivale, which seems to be the exact same type of bike. They are standards that are made to look cosmetically like a motard, yet they have none of the technical characteristics or abilities of a true motard.
A Monster is not anymore a 'fake motard' than a Street Triple, and the 'pie' you are referring to is the sport naked category, not the smaller 'motard-wannabe streetbike' category that really only has one bike in it at the moment, the Ducati, and may have another, the MV Agusta, in the future.
yea i like it too. not sure about the headlight but it's a nice compromise between the Duc. Streetfighter with it's huge underbelly, and the sleek styling of our Streets IMO.
That is true, however both bikes are new. I ride with a guy who has a 2013 F3, but the Brutale 675 (B3) is still not available. MV, did as Triumph did to create the 800 from their 675, but MV put it in a street fighter. Similarly Ducati created a Streetfighter with the 848 engine. I love my Street Triple, and not sure I want the 1050 Speed Triple, an 800 Street Triple R would be so nice (IMO)
If the 800 brute does well, I can see Triumph entering into the market with their own Street Triple 800, only because they already have a 800 triple engine that probably would just need some more agressive cams and a bit more compression to give it comperable grunt to the brute.
To my point, many comments where about its "looks", its looks are not new, it looks exactly like the 675 because it is the same bike.
The Triumph 800 is not just a bored out 675 like the MVA, it has a longer stroke and shares few parts. Its design is well done for a middle weight dual sport but when put up against the Triumph 675 nowhere near suited for a sporting bike. Putting it directly in the Street Triple would be a mistake.
MV Agusta 800 is a stroked 675, just like the triumph 800 is a stroked 675. MV 675 has a shorter stroke & wider bore than the Triumph 675, which is why the Street triple engine has more torque through the rev range than the peakier B3 675 motor. Once both engines are stroked to get 800cc the tables are turned with the MV 800 having a less radical bore/stroke ratio & the Triumph 800 becoming a long stroke plodder. I do agree that it would take more than new cams, pistons & mapping to make the Triumph 800 sparkle enough for it to be fitted to a Street Triple....
On paper MV have pulled one out of the bag with the 800. F3 800 vs GSXR750 vs Ducati 848? Or Brutale B3 800 vs Streetfighter 848 vs Triumph Street Triple & Speed Triple....
Triumph would have to give the 800 tiger motor a makeover, testing a 800 Roadie after getting off my Street, it didn't feel all that powerful, comfort wise, it was great and the handling was good for an ADV bike, but I was hoping for a little more power. If you want more power in a Street, a set of Daytona cams seems the easiest way to get it.
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